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Post by putterguy on Mar 1, 2022 17:30:16 GMT
The purpose of the seedlings process is to have the two best teams meet in the national championship game . The perfect scenario is to have No 1 meet the 4th seed in the semifinals and 2 meet 3 and 1 and 2 meet in the finals. If that gets blown up by someone losing before the final 4 ( even more than 1 losing), then the first 2nd seed or maybe the best 2seeds make it to the final 4. It makes no sense that South Carolina snd UConn are in the same regional .if they play each other in the regional one has to lose so no chance if a No1 loses before the final 4. Right now the 3 best teams are South Carolina, UConn and I hate to say it Baylor.. the other no 1 look vulnerable.
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Post by storygordon on Mar 1, 2022 18:04:20 GMT
True. Idealy the sixteen #1-4 meet in the S16, eight #1-2 in the E8, four #1s in the FF, but basketball is a stochastic process with uncertain outcomes.Whoever wins the NC will have to beat a #1, but as you note, it's possible UConn may have to beat two #1s in the process, expecially if they are in the same region as SC or Baylor.
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Post by richp1942 on Mar 1, 2022 19:15:24 GMT
Likely they would have to beat three. One in their region and two in the FF. Although NC State and Louisville are not invincible. They are the most likely #1s to fall. I think USC and Stanford have a good chance of advancing to the FF. Especially Stanford whoo is likely to get a cupcake regional.
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Post by putterguy on Mar 1, 2022 19:52:50 GMT
Likely they would have to beat three. One in their region and two in the FF. Although NC State and Louisville are not invincible. They are the most likely #1s to fall. I think USC and Stanford have a good chance of advancing to the FF. Especially Stanford whoo is likely to get a cupcake regional. Well personally I think the projected No 1’s are probably the weakest 4 as a group in the last 10 to 15 years . Other than South Carolina the other 3 could each have had 3 or 4 more losses this year. Virginia tech should have beaten nc state twice Stanford won a lot of close games in their conference . This could be a year that all 4 number 1’s go down if UConn makes it to final 4. If UConn stay’s a 3 would not surprise me if none of the 2’s survive . Look at Michigan that’s. a joke LSU . Can’t stop laughing about that one In 16 games in the sec 12 games decided by less than 10. Any of those games could have gone the older way . 4 games by double digits and they lost one of those. Iowa state has been discussed enough I think Baylor is the only solid 2
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Post by Marco on Mar 1, 2022 20:11:16 GMT
Massey has Baylor at 6, Moore at 11. OK beat them twice.
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Post by putterguy on Mar 1, 2022 20:17:44 GMT
Massey has Baylor at 6, Moore at 11. OK beat them twice. But I think Baylor is a lot better team than the Sooners . Strange things have happened this year. I heard a rumor that UConn played every game with no injuries.. I think that is why UConn gets no respect . I am surprised that they didn’t make them a 16 seed. The number 1’s would probably not even protest NASTY NASTIER NASTIEST
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Post by storygordon on Mar 1, 2022 20:28:45 GMT
Likely they would have to beat three. One in their region and two in the FF. Although NC State and Louisville are not invincible. They are the most likely #1s to fall. I think USC and Stanford have a good chance of advancing to the FF. Especially Stanford whoo is likely to get a cupcake regional. I posted this earlier and it does not show. I am losing my analytical skills. Yes, it could be three. One thing to check this year is who plays in the E8. Last year it was 3 #1s, 2 #2s, a #3, #4 and #6 with 3 #1s and a #3 in the FF, a #1 & #3 in the NC. (Assuming I can read.)
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Post by putterguy on Mar 1, 2022 20:49:46 GMT
Likely they would have to beat three. One in their region and two in the FF. Although NC State and Louisville are not invincible. They are the most likely #1s to fall. I think USC and Stanford have a good chance of advancing to the FF. Especially Stanford whoo is likely to get a cupcake regional. I posted this earlier and it does not show. I am losing my analytical skills. Yes, it could be three. One thing to check this year is who plays in the E8. Last year it was 3 #1s, 2 #2s, a #3, #4 and #6 with 3 #1s and a #3 in the FF, a #1 & #3 in the NC. (Assuming I can read.) 3 of the projected number ones have 3 losses this season
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Post by richp1942 on Mar 2, 2022 13:34:01 GMT
How many of the 3 losses are to each other? NC State played Louisville (once or twice). USC played Stanford.
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Post by putterguy on Mar 2, 2022 14:42:34 GMT
How many of the 3 losses are to each other? NC State played Louisville (once or twice). USC played Stanford. Only 1 loss each. South Carolina beat Stanford and nc state. Louisville loss to nc state.
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Post by Marco on Mar 2, 2022 15:44:24 GMT
From Doggydaddy's site: By PHIL
Last two games
Let’s see how teams in the top 16 have done in the last two games. (I made the list of 16 before the latest reveal)
In the following list the first entry is the team name, the next entry is the record of the last two games, the next entry is the number of points scored relative to expectations and if there is an entry after that it’s the remaining games.
So for example NC State is one of the top four seeds, they were 2-0 in their last two games, and they outscored the opposition by 14 points (combined) more than they were expected to win by.
• South Carolina 2-0 27 • Stanford 2-0 -27 • NC State 2-0 14 • Louisville 2-0 16 • Baylor 2-0 23 Texas Tech • Iowa State 1-1 -23 West Virginia • LSU 2-0 -3 • Michigan 1-1 -21 • UConn 2-0 58 • Texas 2-0 18 Kansas Oklahoma State • Arizona 1-1 -29 • Maryland 1-1 -13 • Tennessee 1-1 12 • Iowa 1-1 -13 • Indiana 0-2 6 • Oklahoma 2-0 21 Oklahoma State Kansas
Let’s start with the elephant in the room. Admittedly, the last two games by UConn were not played against stellar competition. But that’s where the expected margin of victory came in. UConn didn’t beat those two teams by a combined 58 points, they scored 58 points more than they were expected to win by. That’s by far the largest number in the list with South Carolina in second place with 27.
Three of the one seeds won both games and outperformed expectations. Stanford is the only one seed that underperformed expectations and by 27 points which is quite a few. Two of the two seeds Baylor and Texas were undefeated and outperformed expectations. Two of these seeds Michigan and Iowa State split the two games and underperformed by 21 and 23 points respectively.
Among the three seeds, Oklahoma and UConn and LSU were undefeated but only Oklahoma and UConn outperformed expectations, with UConn doing much better than Oklahoma. Arizona split their two games and underperformed expectations by 29 points.
In the four seeds no one was undefeated with Indiana losing both while Tennessee, Maryland, and Notre Dame split both. Maryland and Notre Dame underperformed by 13 points apiece while Tennessee and surprisingly Indiana managed to outperform expectations but by small margins, 12 and six points respectively.
In the latest reveal, they have LSU, Baylor, Michigan and Iowa State as 2 seeds ahead of UConn. LSU did okay winning both games while scoring very close to expectations. Baylor is in decent shape winning both games and outperforming expectations. But both Michigan and Iowa State both lost again and both scored less than expectations by 21 and 23 points respectively.
While UConn was expected to win both games, compared to Michigan and Iowa State UConn was 79 and 81 points better over two games or about 40 per game. UConn has significantly improved relative to Michigan and Iowa State.
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Post by jbb1985 on Mar 3, 2022 3:50:17 GMT
Likely they would have to beat three. One in their region and two in the FF. Although NC State and Louisville are not invincible. They are the most likely #1s to fall. I think USC and Stanford have a good chance of advancing to the FF. Especially Stanford whoo is likely to get a cupcake regional. Stanford has a bad habit of letting lesser teams get ahead and then they typically reel them back in during Q3 or latest Q4. Stanford had best not do that against a #2- or #3-seed, as those teams, especially if shooting well from threes and if at same time the Cardinal is not, they lose. Stanford has a long history of getting knocked out in 3rd or 4th round. Don't recall their FF semi's record, but they're not overwhelming in the Finals I recall.
So, it is conceivable that 2-3 top seeds fall prior to FF. Face it, if L'ville is not shooting well, Iowa, if hot, beats them 92-78 sort of game. Face it, if NC State is also cold from threes and the AA center gets into foul trouble, BU takes them out. Stanford could lose to a UConn, an Oregon, or a LSU. SC is tougher to see fall early. Other than a red-hot Maryland or UConn, there are not even a handful that causes SC anxiety unless their ice cold and Boston gets into foul trouble if refs call her tight on her bully-ball style.
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Post by jbb1985 on Mar 3, 2022 4:05:07 GMT
How many of the 3 losses are to each other? NC State played Louisville (once or twice). USC played Stanford. South Carolina lost to unranked Missouri (#54, eeek!)
Stanford lost to Texas, SC, and USF (#48, yikes, even Tenn got lucky and beat USF)
NCST lost to SC, barely ranked ND, and lowly Georgia.
Louisville lost to NCST, mid-ranked falling Arizona, and mid-ranked UNC.
Baylor lost to Oklahoma 2x, unranked KSU (#28 by Massey), plunging Michigan, and mid-ranked MD.
UConn lost to SC, L'ville (while missing 4 players), GA Tech barely ranked of late (UConn missing 4 players), just fell out of the rankings Oregon (missing 4), and unranked Villanova at #60 by Massey (missing 4 players). The Villanova loss hurts the most as the 4 players injured is totally ignored other than Paige's absence, it got huge publicity as it broke the long League Win streak, and no one thinks of 'Nova as even in the Top 100, as well as their record is 21-7 but 3 losses the missed their star, if not losing to a 24-4 team that would have been receiving votes looks "less bad". Plus, it was recent, not back in Dec. or Jan. It was such a dumb loss given the UConn players able to play waited till the last 5 minutes to tear Villanova apart.
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Post by Marco on Mar 3, 2022 5:28:41 GMT
Stanford has issues with TOs and FTs and sometimes 3s. S.Car has issues with 3s and FTs certainly
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Post by Marco on Mar 3, 2022 5:39:03 GMT
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